The IP rate limit will apply to both authenticated and non-authenticated requests.
Sent you a DM to discuss further as well as the rate limit. Let me know if you prefer a different messaging system to discuss.
As v5 continues to be deprecated and as Helix updates are announced, there are no higher rate limit requests for v5.
Sending you a direct message to understand impact with rate limits on this endpoint.
As a long-time user of various Twitch APIs, this is yet another move that makes it feel like Twitch does not respect what I am doing. I disagree with this decision and am frustrated by it. Having to re-invent legacy infrastructure every year or two is such an aggravating experience, and it makes me want to make less things for Twitch overall.
Please reconsider your API strategy.
This is a good point to call out. Moderation tools can benefit from knowing
created_at and that is a valid argument for it being included in Helix. I would ask that you submit this feedback for the team and mention it’s importance for moderation on User Voice as @Dist mentioned above.
Completely understand this position. We will have further Helix updates announced soon to help understand migration paths.
To confirm, we have not communicated a shutoff date for v5. It is not receiving additional functionality and is definitely being decommissioned with Helix becoming the one supported API.
While I understand the need to restrict nefarious activity on your API, there is no real migration path for existing devs to Helix. Helix remains a fairly barebones “replacement” for the functionality v5 provided. Development of it has been slow to almost non-existent over the past year, and many developers just keep waiting to switch because of this. Scopes cannot be “upgraded” to Helix without re-authorizing all users, and much of the niche functionality (which Moocat alluded to above) my bot also uses is missing in Helix too.
It is fairly disappointing to see this kind of stark action coming from Twitch. Before you bring up walls around the old infrastructure we all still very much rely on, it would be great if there was a solid feature/migration timeline for Helix in place first. The deprecation timeline of less than a month for these added (imo harsh) rate limits is also quite concerning.
Please feel free to send me a DM to discuss your services that are affected. I would like to know and provide any feedback related to those services to the team.
So the solution now is to hope that staff blesses you with some kind of special access if you’re enough of a big guy? Also, the user voice feedback on created_at was already submitted last year. I’m guessing no one looked at it, despite being one of the top ““ideas””. The top ““idea”” isn’t even commented by any kind staff member
@jbulava I used to work with Justin Im as my contact in Twitch, since his departure I have been unable to connect with anyone at Twitch to address concerns, promised that people would reach out, and it never happened. We do a lot of deep integrations with Twitch, and have driven a lot of revenue to Twitch, could you DM me so we can discuss this
You must be kidding me.
How are we supposed to combat those chat-spambots if you cut down the only way to get usable user information like the account age?
If Twitch is unable to get this mess sorted out, then at least give us the tools to do it on our own!
How am i supposed to check the accounts of new followers if they create new ones twice as fast as you let me check them?
I guess we just have to disable the chat now in the future if the bots target a channel as there is no way to fix it and Twitch is unable to do so.
This is a good callout as mentioned above. Developers of moderation tools need a way to check for new accounts. Doing this specifically with the created_at field has been added to UserVoice at the link below. I’ll add a note internally that the end goal is to test for new accounts in case this cannot be achieved via adding the field.
Confirming a note for this use case was added to the feedback.
Just a note, the end goal for created_at is not only to see if account is new or not (and even in this use case, a “new account” is open to interpretation), there are even situations where users are inspected for specific created_at dates in range of a couple of minutes or seconds
In my case, i had to deal with a total of about 40k bots on one channel.
For a good amount of them, the creation date of the accounts was in one of a few ranges.
However, the accounts were up to multiple weeks old before they followed and spammed a specific channel.
So yes, a “new-account” flag on the API doesn’t help much, we need the date
Ah, very good clarification! Thanks for that. If you can add that as a public comment in those words on the UserVoice entry, that would be greatly appreciated.
Yeah it’s not just new accounts that’s needed for modding, it’s creation_date in general, as bots, spam accounts or alt accounts are very often made in groups but may not be used immediately.
To give a concrete example, a streamer I mod for has recently been harassed and chat botted by someone with thousands of bots, after going into follow mode said person follow botted the channel with 26000 bots to be able to still spam in follow mode. Those bots were all between 1 to 3 months old at the time already, all created in large batches of a couple thousand each in about two hours spans each.
The only way to effectively combat and identify those was by filtering by names, follow dates and
created_at combined, to avoid hitting innocent random followers during the same times which would be unavoidable without `created_at.
We also regularly get people coming in and being dumb, getting banned and making new accounts right away that are seconds old and easily flagable this way.
created_today flag for example would be almost useless to combat any of this.
There are tons of examples of occurrences like that where having
created_at is essential to keep chats protected, especially with twitch moderation response times usually being days or even weeks (only 6k of those 25k blatantly obvious bots are banned at this point for example despite multiple reports over the last 5 weeks).
Also note that the creation date is currently still available via official mod tools so in no way secret at all, anyone that wants it can get it already
Closing out this topic given the delay. As mentioned in the edit to the original post, please find more information in the post linked below and feel free to add comments/questions there while open.